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Types of Providers In addition to strips clubs there are four categories of providers that mongers from the US frequently visit: street girls, bar girls, massage parlor girls, and Internet escorts. I’ll try to comment on each. Street Girls Street girls are found on Constitución Street south of Coahuila, and on the surrounding side streets. (There is also an area on Ninos Heros, between the Amor Latino and California clubs that is filled with transvestites. In that area of the ZN, be sure your girl is a girl unless you are looking for a she-male.) In warm weather street girls can be found by the hundreds, and even in winter they are numerous. (Of course, you see more skin when it’s warm.) Street girls charge around $20.00. You will also have to pay for a room in the hotel she uses. Expect the hotel to charge $5.00 to $15.00. (Others always seem better at bargaining than I and get better prices.) Service from the girl will be probably be quick (maybe fifteen minutes) and minimal. I’ve found it harder to have a GFE (girl friend experience) than with any other category of sex worker in TJ. It happens, but don’t expect it. Bargain for everything you want in advance, such as having her take off her clothes and give you oral sex. Expect a CBJ (covered blow job) not a BBBJ (bareback blow job as oral sex without a condom is called). Sex will probably be with a condom, and will be very mechanical. Street girls usually don’t speak much or any English (beyond a few mandatory words like “suckie,” and fuckie.”). The street girls, like the bar girls and massage parlor girls, are required to have a health card. Contrary to what you may have heard, they are not heavily diseased. Street girls seem to prefer quick, impersonal sessions. If you want a GFE or to make a “connection” with a girl I think you are least likely to obtain it from a street girl. (More about my reasoning later.) Bar Girls Adelitas Bar (AB) is representative of most bars—and, for good reason, as it is the most frequented bar in Tijuana. There is no cover charge, but you are expected to buy drinks. Currently (December 2003) drinks are $2.75 for you and $7.00 for the girl. The girls have a quota of drinks (loosely translated as fichas) to sell each day, so expect to be hustled. (A ficha is actually a “ticket” a girl gets for selling a drink which she later converts for money.) She also gets a cut ($3.00) of the drinks she sells. However, if you don’t like a girl tell her maybe later. You can ask a girl to sit with you or ask a waiter to ask a girl to come to your table. They know what you want so after as much or as little small talk as you desire start bargaining. You won’t get worse service for bargaining—it’s customary. The girl will probably ask $60.00 (up to maybe $70.00 or $80.00) for sex. If she’s hot or it is busy you may have to pay the higher rate; however, $60.00 is the going rate—if there is such a thing. Bargaining down to $50.00 is common. (Thanks Alee43 for your input.) Rates are often lower in smaller bars, which is a good reason to visit other bars. Sessions normally last 20 to 30 minutes, unless you pay for more time. Also, be sure you agree on what services she is to provide. DFK (deep French kissing), a BBBJ (oral sex without a condom), and DATY (dining at the “Y” or performing oral sex on the girl) may be missing unless contracted for in advance. The norm is a CBJ (covered blow job) and straight sex without clothes. You will pay $11.00 to rent a room for 30 minutes, but expect a knock at twenty minutes that will end the session. Tip the towel guy (tollechero) a buck. You can usually get a room for the entire night for around $35.00. Getting a room for the night is wise if you are going to see multiple girls or want longer sessions. There is a bar fine to take a girl to another hotel; however, she can spend the entire night with you in Adelita’s hotel (Hotel Coahuila) without you paying a bar fine. A TLN (todo la noche or all nighter) usually costs $200.00 and up depending on how busy it is, how late at night you start the session, if it is a weekday or weekend, how hot the girl is, how much she likes you, etc. (Often an all night session ends around 6am. Many girls leave when their shift ends as the have husbands, boyfriends and kids waiting at home for them.) Girls can see you on their own time without you having to pay a bar fine, so if you like her then ask for her phone number. There are lots of bars in the Zona Norte. If you don’t like one then try another. There is something there for most tastes. (Except mine, I like quiet place places with jazz or something very mellow where I can sit and talk). A question that is often asked is what services are available. I usually advice people not to expect a GFE, which to me includes at a minimum DFK, BBBJ, and DATY. These services—and many others—can be found in the ZN, but you are far from certain to obtain they in any given session. Guys with more experience and a good “game” probably do better in this area. Also, as with most things in life, money talks. (There is, for me at least, also an emotional component to a girl friend experience that I personally find hard to obtain in sessions with the bar girls. I may or may not get great sex—DFK, BBBJ, DATY, etc.—but the emotional connection of being with somebody who honestly likes your company and provides good companionship I have yet to receive in a session with a bar girl. I’ve found it easier to obtain a GFE with the Internet girls.) It should be noted that others have different opinions and, no doubt, experiences. Nevertheless, I stand my advice not to expect a GFE from a bar or street girl. (I’d much rather you be pleasantly surprised than disappointed and I believe the odds aren’t against getting a GFE from a bar girl, especially the first time you see her.) Prices vary somewhat from bar to bar. Byron, in one of his posts, made the following observation about the different prices: At Miami, Las Chavelas (LC) and the Bar Tropical (BT) $40-50 is the norm. At Adelitas Bar (AB) and Chicago Club (CC) the going rate is $50-$60. At Hong Kong (HK), Pollo and La Tropa (LT) the prices vary greatly with prices starting at $50; however, it is not unusual to see chicas who ask $100 at these three bars. Some of these chicas have leverage because they do not go with every guy who approaches them. Prices also vary greatly depending on a number of other factors, such has how good a “game” you have. Your age and looks are probably a factor. They day of the week and time of day is important. Also of importance is how busy or slow things are when you are haggling over price. The following Zona Norte bars are gringo friendly, relatively trouble free, and worth exploring: Adelitas, Chicago Club, La Tropa, Bar Tropical, Las Chavelas, Pollo, Manhattan, Miami, and Hong Kong. (Thanks Byron.) Byron reported that Kaoss next to Mermaids tried to rip him off and that there was also a report of a monger getting drugged and robbed at Odisea. Obviously, this does not mean that the bars not mentioned should be avoided, just that I don’t have enough information to comment on them. The character of bars changes over time. Also, one person’s good or bad experience may or may not be indicative of what another person will encounter. Post questions on the board if you want current information. In all bars a certain amount of caution is always advisable. While I don’t normally think it necessary to visit TJ with others, I would not go alone if I was planning on getting wasted. Which bar has the best girls? The answer to that question changes far too quickly to merit a place in this guide. The large bars—Adelitas and Chicago Club—have enough girls that you are likely to find a similar selection next month and next year to what you saw on your first visit. However, in the smaller bars the girls come and go so frequently that the character of the bar changes quickly. Part of fun for a lot of the vets is exploring and finding out what has changed and what things are like on any given day or night. Here are a few scams to watch for in bars. Be sure you know the prices of the drinks before ordering. Especially if a girl wants something out of the ordinary. (The $100.00 bottle of champagne is a world-wide scam.) Let the girl finish her drink before going to the john, otherwise it will probably go down the drain and she’ll ask for a refill. I recommend carrying plenty of ones and fives (or the equivalent in pesos). When giving the waiter a twenty, always ask if he has change for a twenty. First that stops him from claiming you only gave him a five. Second, it stops him form going home early and before giving you chance for you drinks. As I mentioned elsewhere, to be safe, always have the waiter open a bottle of beer in your presence. While slipping something into drinks is not, I believe, a common occurrence why run the risk. Massage Parlor Girls Massage parlor girls see fewer clients per day than bar girls (or street girls) and sessions last a full hour, not twenty to thirty minutes. Expect to pay the house $40.00 and the girl $80.00 to $100.00. (I normally pay $100.00.) When you enter the massage parlor, the girls line up and you pick the girl you want. Typically you negotiate services in the room. Again, DFK and a BBBJ probably won’t be on the menu, especially if this is your first time with the girl. If you can’t come to terms then pick another girl. I’ve had very good luck getting what I want at massage parlors by picking a girl, taking things slow, and becoming a regular customer. Girls in massage parlors work shifts, and are usually able to meet you during their off hours. Bar fines and take out policies vary among massage parlors, so ask and try another massage parlor if you don’t like what you hear. It seems 8th Street on both sides of Revolución is the center for the massage parlors in downtown TJ. Just east of Revolución on 8th Street is 5th Avenue Massage and the Men’s Club. On the corner of 8th and Revolución is Paris de Noche. On 8th street west of Revolución is Estetica Maria Bonita, and continuing up the 8th street a couple of blocks you will come to Mermaids on 8th and New Body Spa. (There are many other massage parlors in the downtown area. Too many to list.) In the Zona Norte there are also some massage parlors, with the Mermaids across from Adelitas being my favorite in the Zona. There is one connected to La Tropa also, which I haven’t visited but I’ve heard good things about. In the Zona Rio are Monte Carlo and Executive Real (which at present has a nice 90 minute special for $180.00). In the Plaza Pueblo Amigo, next to the Pueblo Amigo hotel, is Luxor, an upscale massage parlor that allows its girls to go to the Pueblo Amigo for an additional fee. ($40.00 if memory serves.) Massage parlors usually open between 10 and 11am and close around 1pm. On weekends some stay open until 6am. Expect to pay more at the upscale places. Among these are: New Body Spa, Monte Carlo, Executive Real, and Luxor. The New Body Spa has a nice Jacuzzi package. So does the Executive Real, if my memory is correct. Also, expect the upscale places to have the best girls. One problem with many massage parlors is they have massage tables instead of beds. Some have love seats as well as tables in their rooms. Mermaids in the Zona Norte, Mermaids on 8th street, and Monte Carlo (upon request) have beds. A few, like New Body Spa, have Jacuzzis. If you want a bed always ask for one. Some places have a room with a mattress on the floor that they tell the inspectors is for the girls to use for taking a nap, which sometimes you can use. Some guys avoid massage parlors, thinking they are too expensive. However, an hour with a bar girl will go for about $120.00 plus the room and drinks you bought the girl when negotiating with her. If you are looking for a longer session I don’t see much of a price difference. Bar girls, of course, are a better value for those wanting a quickie. A few tips on getting the most out of a visit to a massage parlor: You do not have to wait until you are in the middle of the massage to negotiate. (You don’t even have to get a massage for that matter.) You can negotiate in the room before starting the session. If you can’t come to terms go back and ask for another girl. Normally you won’t have to pay additional room time. You can also negotiate before you even go to the room. After the hostess introduces all the girls, then ask “Maria” or whomever you select if you can speak to her for a moment. Draw her aside into a place of semi-privacy—if necessary ask the hostess how to you speak to her in private. After telling her how pretty she is (keep the small talk to a minimum) then tell her what you want (DFK, BBBJ, etc.) and bargain. If you don’t like what you hear then ask to speak to another girl. While this may not be the way most guys do business in massage parlors it can be done without violating the customs of the house. Anther option is to ask the hostess to introduce the girls one by one. There are times I’ve even told the hostess what I want and asked for recommendations. There are also times I ask the entire flock of girls questions like “who likes to dance” or “I like music, which one of you will sign to me.” I do this to pick up “vibes” from the different girls and set a lighthearted tone for the session. The point is you can haggle in massage parlors, just like in the bars, before paying your money. Also, just like in the bars, you can get a feeling for what a girl is like before making your selection. Don’t be surprised if most massage parlor girls, just like most bars girls, don’t offer DFK and only provide a CBJ together with straight sex. Since they are lower mileage and will be spending a full hour with you they usually want $80.00 to $100.00 for full service, unlike bar girls who typically charge $50.00 to $60.00 for thirty minutes. (You can also negotiate for less than full service if you only want oral sex or a hand job. Fees, of course, are less if you don’t get full service.) Some massage parlors will tell you something like it’s $40.00 for a topless massage and $50.00 for a totally nude massage. Unless you only want a massage always pay the lower rate. Some exceptions are when you want a room with a Jacuzzi, a room with a bed, or more than one hour in the room. Whatever you negotiate with the girl determines how naked she gets and what services she provides. Internet Escorts I enjoy the TJ Internet escorts. I must state they are not for everyone. They offer something I enjoy, but that is hardly a universal sentiment. Plus there are less expensive ways of getting action. Have you ever returned from a business trip to have your girlfriend meet you at the airport with a big hug and kiss after which you scurry off to her place for a great session in bed? This is the best way to describe what I seek in a GFE (which physically at a minimum includes DFK, DATY, a BBBJ, etc.). I’ve come closer to this type of experience with the Internet girls than with any other category of provider in TJ. But, that is my opinion based on nothing more than my personal experiences. If you are looking for a GFE with lots of DFK and a BBBJ your best bet, in my opinion, is a session with one of the Internet escorts. Many of them also work at Adelitas, but you will probably get better treatment if you contact them on-line. In general, the Internet girls are a little older than most of the street, bar, and massage parlors girls. Typically they provide a fuller service menu. Standard rates are $150.00 for the first hour and $100.00 for each hour thereafter. Sessions often run overtime; and as long as you don’t go too much overtime there probably won’t be an additional charge. Payment is often made after the session ends. You often receive a massage and a second cup of coffee is usually allowed. When booking sessions longer than one hour expect the girl encourage, and try to facilitate, "extra innings." Some girls offer discounts on slow days; if she offers a discount the information will be posted on her website or maybe on TER’s Tijuana discussion board at The Erotic Review dot com, no www in the url. (Sadly, a paid membership is required to read the entire review.) It is it is in poor form to bargain for discounts with the Internet escorts. (With the other girls it is the norm, but not with Internet appointments.) Also, asking an Internet escort for a discount probably won’t do any good, will probably offend her, and might lessen the quality of the session. The web sites I use to find Internet escorts in Tijuana are http://www.escortmexico.net and http://www.hottijuana.com . Typically an Internet escort meets you at Calientes, just after you cross the border. Calientes is across the street from McDonalds on De La Amistad near all the pharmacies just after crossing into Mexico. Remember, the girls don’t have a US visa and you have to cross into Mexico to meet them. They will take you by taxi to an apartment near the border and return you to the border by cab. Expect them to begin and end a session by showering with you. Their service is great and most offer a GFE. When you consider the cab fees, hotel fees, and the drinks you didn’t have to buy then you may conclude the Internet girls are a good value as well as a lot of fun. (Expect them to offer you a drink.) Since I live in San Diego I often visit Tijuana on the spur of the moment; however, when I make plans in advance I usually see one of the Internet escorts. Appointments are usually made by email. It is probably safest to try booking an appointment one or two days in advance; however, there are times I been able to make same day appointments. It depends very much on the girl and probably luck. Some girls have Internet at home and others use an Internet cafe. Obviously those who have Internet at home are more likely to respond quickly than those who use an Internet Cafe. I've found that I have better luck booking a same day appointment if I send the email very early in the morning, at least before 8am. Checking your email through the day is necessary to book and confirm a same day appointment. As I said, Internet escorts are not for everyone. Those on a tight budget or looking for the "party atmosphere" found in the Zona may be disappointed. I like a slower pace and to "connect" with a girl; I personally find Internet sessions very satisfying. Subjective Differences Making generalization is dangerous, as there are usually plenty of exceptions. What follows is no different; however, I think what follows is accurate in a high enough percentage of cases to be useful. I believe a girl’s overall personality tends to steer her into a particular category of sex work. I say that realizing there are plenty of exceptions and misfits to my generalizations. Street girls do not seem to want interact with their customers. They prefer a quick, short session. In my experience, they are the least likely to provide a GFE. They seem to make their money on volume and have the least amount of personality and “people skills” of any of category of TJ providers. Trying to get one to relax and take her time is sort of like picking a race horse for a ride on the beach. I have had more problems getting the services I bargain for out of street girls than any other category of provider in TJ. (DFK “besos con lingua” becomes a peck on the lips, an hour becomes 30 minutes, etc.) I usually avoid them, as they don’t seem to provide me what I want. I recommend them for guys on a tight budget and for guys who want to do a lot of girls while in TJ. Bar girls like action. They strike me as party girls at heart. They like to mix and mingle; some are good flirts. They hustle. (Especially since they get about $3.00 for each drink you buy them.) After 30 minutes in the room expect them to want to get back to the party. They seem to enjoy the challenge of meeting guys and getting guys to buy them drinks and take them to the room. If you loved frat parties you will probably like bar girls and the atmosphere that surrounds them. The bar scene is something some guys really enjoy. (Maybe it was all those frat parties they attended or wished they’d attended.) If you like bars then the ZN is the place for you, and I advise you to explore it thoroughly. Others guys, however, are less enthusiastic about the bar scene—noise and commotion is not what they seek to unwind. (I am a member of the later group.) One of the great things about TJ is the variety it offers mongers. If bar girls and street girls are not your cup of tea, then try massage parlors and Internet girls. The probability is that if you don’t like bars you will find either the massage parlors or Internet girls offer what you want. I personally prefer massage parlors and Internet girls to bar girls and street parlor girls. I’ve found, however, that I’m in the minority. If you don’t know where to start then I suggest giving Adelitas Bar followed by the Chicago Club in the Zona Norte. a visit. Maria Bonita Estecita or Mermaids on 8th are a good starting place for those interested in massage parlors. (I’ve also had very good luck at Mermaids in the Zona; however, it is far from quiet.) Those wanting a more upscale place (and willing to pay for it) might consider trying the New Body Spa on 8th Street at about Martinez, Luxor next to the Pueblo Amigo Hotel, or the Executive Real in the Zona Rio. Massage Parlor girls are more the stay-at-home type. Things move slower with them. They usually see only one or two clients a day, so they aren’t as likely to feel it is costing them money to spend time with you. However, the house will probably end the session at one hour. (Exceptions are sometimes made for regular customers.) During the session you can go as slow as you want. Those who like the girl next-door type and guys who want some type of connection with a girl will probably like massage parlors better than bars. The same is true of guys who are introverts or just plain don’t enjoy the noise and commotion of bars. At a massage parlor a guy can walk in, make a selection, and get down to business without playing a lot of games first. Chupami made some comments about the Luxor that I want to include (after editing them for space) because I think they explain well the benefits that massage parlors offer. As he states, many people seem to forget that massage parlors offer two services. One is a pampering massage from a young, cute girl. The other is sex. Chupami posted: It is obvious that many of you are in TJ on a minimal budget. With that criterion, massage parlors (mp) are not the right place for you. TJ massage parlors are for those that can afford to pamper themselves and appreciate having a nude young, girl give you at least 30 minutes of a relaxing rubdown. The Luxor is indeed a wonderful and cost effective place to go when you consider that they are providing two services. Sadly the only service they are given credit for is the sexual service. You won't get a full hour massage anywhere in the states with a sweet young thing who is waving her panocha in front of your face for anywhere near $45. If you can afford it, the best way to go is to take the VIP route for $180. Jacuzzi WITH the chica, massage, sex, drinks, and a full 90 minutes of "companionship". Yeah, it is more than $50 at Adelitas, but then you get a lot more for your money too. The Luxor is as convenient and clean as they come. Within walking distance of the border so forget about the taxis. [The bar fine is reasonable—about $40.00 if I remember correctly—for those who want to take the girl to a room at the Pueblo Amgio hotel next door.] I love going to Adelitas, but there is room in my schedule for the Luxor as well. Then again, I am not a "wham bam thank you ma'am" kind of guy. I am sure my ego is stroked a lot more by have sex with a 19 year old than if I was much younger like most of you seem to be. Thanks Chupami. I’ve tried explaining to others, without success, why I like massage parlors. You explained it better than I. For me what Chupami said about visiting massage parlors applies as much, if not more, to sessions with Internet girls. They tend to be a little older and know how to “read” you as well as being eager to please. Most have worked in a bar and they strike me as being a little bored and wanting something different. They seem more interested in making a connection than girls in the other categories. I think some of them secretly hope they can find a guy who will change their lives. (Not that I think they would necessarily make a good traditional wife and mother, but then you never know.) Guys wanting conversation, a non-rushed session, and to make a connection with a girl will probably enjoy Internet girls. Those on a budget or seeking a lot of fast action probably won’t. While it is possible to get almost anything in TJ with a little luck and enough money, don’t expect a leopard to change it spots. I think there is something to the idea of trying to figure out what you really want in a session and then finding the setting that is most likely to offer what you seek. Strip Clubs Most of the strip clubs don’t charge an entrance fee. What is the best strip club in TJ seems to be a matter of opinion and is constantly changing. You will have to buy drinks to sit in the club and watch or talk with the girls. The stripping is tame by US standards (especially LA standards). However, groping is permitted, indeed expected, during lap dances and to a lesser extent when you buy the girl a drink. Many clubs have semi-secluded areas for private dances. I don’t enjoy loud music so I seldom visit strip clubs. (I once took a girl at Eclipse into a back room for full service. I expect if that can be done at one club it can be done at most clubs.) Lord Blacks, between 9th and 10th on Revolución, is an upscale place that charges an admission fee. The same is true of Bolleros near the Pueblo Amigo hotel. On Revolución, Madonna as well as Peanuts and Beer have good reputations; they don’t charge admission. When entering strip clubs be on the lookout for pickpockets and “she-males”. If I were going to visit a strip club it would probably be one of the upscale places. Some guys have posted that if the walk away that clubs like Lord Black will allow them to enter without paying the cover charge. I don’t know as I’ve never played that game. Some clubs, especially those on Revolution between 6th and 7th—like Bambi and San Sauci—have a lot of transvestites Eclipse is not as bad as some on this block, but is not exempt from this problem either. Be careful that the girl you select is really a girl. This is another reason I generally avoid strip clubs, except the upscale places like Lord Blacks and Bolleros that have a cover fee. As I said above, Peanuts and Beer as well as Madonas have good reputations as well. In December 2003 the authorities started a crackdown on girls working in strip clubs without a health card and some places were closed. In the past the girls claimed they were only dancers and didn’t need a health card. Currently that doesn’t works with the cops. Some girls are no longer stripping because they don’t want to get a health card and tell the world what they do for a living. I expect these will only be temporary problems, not the end of strip clubs in TJ. One of the things dancers usually like about their work is they are free to decline offers from guys they don’t want to date. Dancers tend to make enough money dancing that they can afford to be selective. While it is possible the outcome of this crackdown will be that strip clubs will become legit, I doubt it. It is more likely the crackdown will only drive “extra services” even further underground, making them more expensive and more difficult to obtain. My experience with dancers, especially in places like Lord Black, is that they want too much money. (Like $200.00 and up.). So with one exception (a really hot, honest to goodness girl at Eclipse who charged me $80.00 for a great full service session) I don’t date dancers. In a strip clubs be especially on your guard against pickpockets. It is common for the girl to do some groping in the hopes you’ll want a lap dance. Just be sure she doesn’t touch more than the family jewels in the process. Also, be sure to clearly confirm the price ahead of time. A scam that frequently occurs in strips clubs is to up the price, claiming a misunderstanding, after money has changed hands. You are stuck leaving without the lap dance or paying a higher price as the girl (backed by the club) will refuse to refund your money. Other Sources There are girls who advertise in the newspaper. There are girls that cab drivers, hotel desk clerks, etc. recommend. Once at La Mansion I had a chat with the guy at the gate after sending a girl home in a taxi. (I decided to return to the room until the wait at the border decreased.) He wanted to know if I wanted another girl. (A nice compliment for a guy my age.) He said they are acquainted with a number of 18-20 year old girls. I asked price, he finally said about $150.00 for a couple of hours. (I’ve heard some of the girls work at Chicago Club at night.) Someday I may experiment. The point of this digression is that there are many, many ways to find girls in TJ (some of which are not prudent). All Night Sessions (TLN) An all night—todo la noche (TLN)—session can be a lot of fun. It can also be a disaster if you pick the wrong girl. They are most commonly provided by bar girls; however, they can be obtained from street girls and (at least with advanced planning) with massage parlor girls. A good rule of thumb is to expect to pay $200.00 and up for a TLN. The later at night it is and the slower it is the more likely, and less expensively, that a TLN can be arranged. Prices vary greatly. The more a girl likes you the better the deal. Often if she knows you are going to take her someplace like dinner, dancing or a movie, the better the price and session will be. Taking her to La Mansion instead of someplace in the ZN probably won’t hurt the deal either. It is always best to get to know the girl first. I suggest at least a “quickie” before picking a girl for a TLN. I like to get phone numbers from girls and arrange a TLN by telephone. I find girls will spend a day with you instead of night if they work the night shift. (Massage parlors have high “bar fines” so I always get the phone number of massage parlor girls and arrange to see them when they are off duty.) Be careful to negotiate everything you expect in a TLN, including the time it will end. Many girls have kids and boyfriends so they want to leave for home at their normal hour. Others want to leave at 6am as they are planning on using the excuse of missing the last bus home. Still others want to leave whenever their normal shift ends, often 6am. If you plan on a leisurely “breakfast in bed” type of session be sure that time the girl is to leave is clearly understood ahead of time. Locals While locals are not providers, at least in the way the word is generally used, for obvious reason they deserve a place somewhere in my ramblings. This is a good a place as any for a few remarks. Personally, I crave companionship as well as sex. Although I’m over fifty, I’m currently dating a local girl who is twenty. She doesn’t ask for money and I really enjoy her company. She seems to honestly enjoy my company. If things blossom into an intimate relationship then I’ll consider myself to have won the grand price: a caring, sharing, intimate relationship with an attractive girl who accepts me for who I am. Ea$y made what I feel is a profound observation when he said, “Gringas are looking for a man whose life they can change, while Latinas are looking for a man who will change their life.” I think there is a kernel of truth in that philosophy. I’ve learned that even some of the young girls are willing to date to an old, of out shape wreck like me. Many guys visit places like Ochoa's Nite Club, an up-scale place, and Las Pulgas at 7th and Revolución. Ea$y said about Ochoa’s “All ages, ranging from 20's to 50's. Some have money. Most are looking for a relationship with a gringo.” Milkster has also frequently commented about where and how to meet local girls. (As for me I don’t drink and can’t dance. But I’ve considered taking a few dancing lessons as I’d like to meet more locals.) Senor Frogs next near the Pueblo Amigo Hotel used to be a good place to meet locals. Many local girls currently go to the disco Animale on Revolución (or so my novia once told me). However, these places are very trendy and I imagine have a short half-life. I suggest posting questions on the board for current information, especially in regards to a subject like this. Ea$y has posted about a relationship he’s developed with a local. If I remember correctly she works as a cashier at Sanborns and he met her while shopping. I know Milkster has dated a lot of locals. The point is that it is there are many ways of meeting locals, and many locals who want to meet a gabacho. If you reach the point that Ea$y and I have where you want more than a one-night stand, then I recommend the locals. Don’t expect them to jump into bed with you on the first date. (It took Ea$y a long time to connect—he had to establish a connection that is more than physical before things progressed to the bedroom. I haven’t reached that point with the local I’m dating, but it’s headed that direction. I really enjoy the times we go to dinner or a movie together. It’s great being with somebody who wants your company, not your wallet.)
